Autistic Revolution DVD Study group for July

[Leslie]

[color=navy][size=4]Hi guys! Here is the place to post your thoughts on this DVD, the Autistic Revolution. Just watch it and post! I look forward to the discussion.


Love,
L::rainbow

[Leslie]

[color=navy]Here's a link to the page that got us prepped for this:

http://theabeforum.com/view_topic.php?id=17606&forum_id=8&jump_to=251448# p251448 (view_topic.php?id=17606&forum_id=8&jump_to=251448 #p251448)


And here's the link to buy the DVD.
http://www.abraham-hickslawofattraction.com/lawofattractionstore/product/DVD-TAR.html

I think we'll focus on this DVD for a month, then move on to something else.

And here is a suggested schedule:

Week one--watch and comment on:
[size="-1"] Opening Titles 1:14 Your Vibrational Escrow 6:56
Week two--watch and comment on
Pre-Croaking Alignment 11:04 The Big Picture 13:42
Week three
The Time of Awakening 10:50 The Value of Diversity 17:36
Week four
A New Vibrational Paradigm 15:12 Closing Titles 1:17
And something I've done with another teacher is watch the same video daily for a week, at different times of the day. See if that resonates for you. Post if you want to, daily or whenever.


July! Let's see what happens!
xoxo
L::rainbow

[Leslie]

[color=darkorchid][size=4]Also, if you want to get started right away, here's a clip from the video:

http://www.lawofattractioninteraction.com/autistic-revolution.php

This one is "A New Vibrational Paradigm" which we would study in the fourth week, but that's fine! Let's just jump right in!

[Leslie]

WOW. wow wow wow wow wow wow wow. It's so good. It's just SO GOOD.

I'm so glad I started this thread, and had the inspiration to post that video. It's amazing. First, the therapist is simply wonderful. I've met her, actually, she gets in the hotseat a lot. Here, it's clear that she is applying Abraham to her work with kids and it's working beautifully.

A paraphrase of what spoke to me: (and this is how I suggest we 'quote' from the DVD, just by writing down as best we remember, what we heard. Kind of what Sheer Luck Holmes did in this lovely thread:
http://theabeforum.com/forum2/18044.html

And maybe we'll study that DVD next!)

"You all communicate vibrationally. It's not words. And what if these children are not flawed, but are advanced and are here to teach us something about communication."

What a wonderful new paradigm.

I feel such relief. RELIEF! Just for myself. On a topic totally unrelated to children, but I feel better nonetheless.

Life is so good.

[Evey]

Leslie wrote:
[color=darkorchid][size=4]Also, if you want to get started right away, here's a clip from the video:

http://www.lawofattractioninteraction.com/autistic-revolution.php

This one is "A New Vibrational Paradigm" which we would study in the fourth week, but that's fine! Let's just jump right in!

[missmolly47]

I'm getting ready for the Alaska Cruise so I don't know how much more I'll post this week. So, I just want to share some notes I took watching the beginning of the DVD earlier this week:
1. Our goal is pre-croaking alignment::LOL
2. IF we think our prayers are not answered - in your quest for solutions you beat the drum of your problems for TOO LONG. Instead of asking "where's my stuff", we need to point attention in the direction of what is becoming.

I have been so keenly aware lately of the social capital given often for beating the "what is" drum. I get sucked in more often than I would like. I am getting pickier and pickier about what I say and what I listen to.
file:///C:/Users/Molly/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot.png

[joyful vibe]

Leslie wrote:

"You all communicate vibrationally. It's not words. And what if these children are not flawed, but are advanced and are here to teach us something about communication."

This feels so good to me to hear and consider as I look at my kiddo. That the autistic ones are not flawed, but *advanced* and here to teach us something about communication.

My little one is so plugged into me and aware of my vibration; has been since the get-go. He is my instant -Abraham-reminder to stop, be aware of what I'm feeling and vibrating and if I want to feel better, reach for thoughts that'll help me get there. I've been overwhelmed with that kind of attention, but it feels better to think that he came here for many reasons and one of those reasons may be to help me get into my Vortex sooner. And to live more self-aware (rockets been going off on that for years). I just got a wave of he is the wise one reminding me/gently guiding me, then I'll show and live by example and he won't have to 'unlearn' anything.

Now if I could just hang on to this warm, Source-infused feeling when he's looking at us and yanking on the cat's tail or banging some toy on a table. ::devil

::stardustJoyful Vibe

[Leslie]

[color=navy][size=4]JV! Great post! And what you just said--how to maintain that Source-like point of view when our children are not 'behaving'--THAT IS THE WORK!!!

Abe from The Vortex CD(paraphrase): "The 1-2-3 of child-rearing--He's perfect as he is and becoming more. It is my job to work around whatever he does in my mind so that I am okay with it. It is not his job to please me."


Or as I just heard in part one of the Autistic Revolution DVD--Even if what we are seeing is clearly 'wrong' --when we use that as an excuse to feel bad, we are seeing it differently than Source, and that's why we feel badly.

Our kids are here to teach us unconditional love. Can we love them even when they are being 'rotten?'. Abe said to me once, 'When they are being rotten, that's not who they really are. Look over there (in your Vortex) where they REALLY are.'

And we get to practice this NOW when the 'transgressions' are relatively harmless! Think about how well we'll do when they are teenagers, if we figure this out now!

I am loving this study group, because I jus had a massive Aha! For myself from watching the intro to the video--the opener.

I GET IT. Enjoy the IDEA of the new manifestation, before it has manifested! That is such a delicious time! It is actually THE MOST EXCITING time! Because by the time it manifests, it's Old News! It's the Next Logical Step. It is No Big DEAL by the time it is manifested.

So that moment of THE IDEA- the exhileration of that, THAT is the thing to celebrate and savor!!!!!

I LOVE THIS!!!!! I really HEARD it today!

Something about having a study group makes me listen more carefully to the DVD (or the book as in out MLOA book study group) and leads to these lovely breakthrus. So thanks, guys!

And Molly! Have a fantastic time on the cruise!!!!!! Enjoy your week of Pre-croaking alignment!!!!!::devil
and Evey--thanks for stopping by the thread and quoting me!!!::LOL
Oh I feel fabulous!

[Evey]

Leslie wrote:
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and Evey--thanks for stopping by the thread and quoting me!!!::LOL
Oh I feel fabulous!

Well you are [color=darkred]fabulous! ::LOL!! I had written all this stuff, and showed my appreciation and hit sent (or so i thought) but was multi-tasking---LOL and somehow i saw later i had only quoted you!

But yes lurking along! ::LOL

[Leslie]

::LOL::LOL::LOL:kiss::allgood

[joyful vibe]

Was watching the paradigm shift segment and afterwards I was so upbeat! I realized I was feeling energized and hopeful and happier than I had in weeks. I don't know what thoughts I was thinking, I just know I felt better about ..things.

Since we've gotten our autism spectrum diagnosis, I'm in the process of seeing this from as positive a point of view as I can. But with less upset...just going with my emotions...

This morning, after seeing my 4 year old push the cat to the floor (again) - cat slowly gets up, he pushes her to the floor (more or less gently). I tried to reason with him, appeal to his empathetic nature (which is in there somewhere I'm guessing..hoping), and asked him how would it feel if mommy pushed you to the floor, you try to get up and mommy pushes you to the floor. Would you like that?! And my little guy jumps up, enthusiastic and smiling huge and says YES! push me to the floor like that! So I did (very gently mommy version) and he did an exaggerated splat! And I just had to laugh.

I thought - autistic traits is just one part of my child. He is so, so much more. It does not define him (even if it was a socially accepted, regarded as a completely wonderful thing), it is just some of who he is (hmm like 'mommy' is just some of who I am). I want to find a way to communicate more from where he is....for us to meet half way if we can. He and I have that mommy-child shortcut language, which is less words and more....vibration. YAY! That forces me (easier word ...how about encourages) me to come from my center, and know what I am vibrating. Show up fully. Be authentic. That used to be a concept I talked about - but now I really know what that means for me.

Everything about mommyhood (for me) is about reaching deep and finding different ways to be creative, to see from the other's perspective, to appreciate beyond my comfort zone-what I usually appreciate. With autism, I just get to 'crank that up a notch'.

I love how watching Estherham on DVD rocks my world vibrationally just as going to a workshop would. Maybe even more, because it's more intimate.

Just riding the happy, content, eager wave from having a wonderful holiday yesterday and watching our first fireworks outside with our son - he was so happy and running around and full of energy. Fireworks, he was over it after about 5 minutes but he loved that freedom and something new.
I had pre-paved the place I wanted to go to watch fireworks, and just an hour before my partner looked on the internet and ended up choosing a place that was perfect to me. Open, short drive from home, easing parking by the car. Great view. Just perfect. Wow, when I be easy about it and let it go, the Universe DOES give you even more than you desired. ::cool

Love is...
~Joyful Vibe::hearts

[Evey]

Have you noticed Abraham will speak about Autism and Gays often in the same sentence? ::devil

I used to post on another forum for women who realized their different than heterosexual feelings well into their marriages (there are many of those...lol) and I started to notice how many posted that they had a child with some sort of autism. I never mentioned it on that forum but i remember thinking...wow, this is remarkable, i thought autism was pretty rare...and here it was mentioned so often in this forum by women who were discovering their unstraightness.

[joyful vibe]

Evey wrote:
I used to post on another forum for women who realized their different than heterosexual feelings well into their marriages (there are many of those...lol) and I started to notice how many posted that they had a child with some sort of autism. I never mentioned it on that forum but i remember thinking...wow, this is remarkable, i thought autism was pretty rare...and here it was mentioned so often in this forum by women who were discovering their unstraightness.


Evey darlin', are you trying to tell me something? ::LOL

~~~~~
I haven't noticed Abe talking about homosexuality and autism, but I haven't listened to workshop recordings for 2-3 years now. Guessing their point is the diversity and how diversity is the bomb-diggity. ::devil

Joyfully Vibing Sexy Mama S::hearts

[Evey]

joyful vibe wrote:
Evey wrote:
I used to post on another forum for women who realized their different than heterosexual feelings well into their marriages (there are many of those...lol) and I started to notice how many posted that they had a child with some sort of autism. I never mentioned it on that forum but i remember thinking...wow, this is remarkable, i thought autism was pretty rare...and here it was mentioned so often in this forum by women who were discovering their unstraightness.


Evey darlin', are you trying to tell me something? ::LOL

~~~~~
I haven't noticed Abe talking about homosexuality and autism, but I haven't listened to workshop recordings for 2-3 years now. Guessing their point is the diversity and how diversity is the bomb-diggity. ::devil

Joyfully Vibing Sexy Mama S::hearts


::LOL::LOL...! I dont know...lol does it resonate? (i kid!) ...it can kick in sorta later...i am just sayin' (i totally kid) but it is true...lol

Regarding Abe...

I think they way they mention both in the same sentence (i have noticed it several times on youtube clips)..usually because I am interested in the sexual orientation part of it, it they say, "more of youare coming back gay or autistic" in terms of choosing to come in a way that no one can change you no matter how hard they want. I use to think it interesting, to me, it was putting being gay in the same sentence of what i saw as a lack of wellbeing as in a disease, but now I see how Abe does not see autism as that at all!

[joyful vibe]

Evey wrote:
I think they way they mention both in the same sentence (i have noticed it several times on youtube clips)..usually because I am interested in the sexual orientation part of it, it they say, "more of youare coming back gay or autistic" in terms of choosing to come in a way that no one can change you no matter how hard they want. I use to think it interesting, to me, it was putting being gay in the same sentence of what i saw as a lack of wellbeing as in a disease, but now I see how Abe does not see autism as that at all!

Evey,
Hey, you never know. ::devil I'll just let life unfold for me and we'll see how it goes.
*******
Autism. So wondering what everyone's take is on what Abraham says it is, how they define it?

Gotta say I'm seeing how all this is opening me up to being more accepting of all perceived 'disabilities' our brothers and sisters may have in this physical. The brave souls that choose to be born with different challenges. It's good to be a part of that expansion.

JV

[Leslie]

[color=navy][size=4]I am loving this discussion.

Sexual orientation and autism--it makes so much sense for them to go together. 'it's just the way they are.' autistics teach us all that it is okay for us to be how we are.

I skipped forward to the first question in the video, and that dad asking about his son was so moving. Abe said, the thing your son wants you to know is 'It's Okay.'

That feels like such a relief to me. It's okay. It's okay.
Xoxooxox

[Evey]

It is okay. It is Okay, It is OKAY.

I needed to know and FEEL this myself today.

Sometimes this stuff bring me to tears.


I will write more soon. ::huggingto all of us.

[joyful vibe]

Leslie wrote:
autistics teach us all that it is okay for us to be how we are.

my friends, would you mind if we didn't refer to little ones (and grown-ups) who fall on the autism spectrum as "autistics"?

is this because of our recent ASD (autism spec disorder) diagnosis and remaining sensitivity I have about it. maybe.

is this because this is one of countless traits a person on the spectrum has and not all of who they are? yes, maybe.

within me~~ if we can say autistic and have the same emotional response as when we describe my son as ~curlied haired and big brown-eyed, and bright, and aware and sensitive and funny, and beautiful.......when I can get to the place where I feel the same surge of okayness and even pleasure when I say autistic as when I say bright and beautiful....well, I will be on my way.
Cuz I'm not talking about those other people, I'm talking about the little love of my life that came outa my belly. When I can feel absolutely no guilt or sadness about the autistic traits as I feel no guilt about his beautiful brown eyes - then, oh then I'm truly flowing in my stream of well-being.

I hope you hear what I'm saying from my heart, and don't take offense. If you do take offense, I understand...and still hope you don't.

Much love...much love,
Joyful V::hearts

[Evey]

It is alright by me. Let us know what term feels good to you. A lot of people dont want the term "homosexual" and prefer gay or lesbian for women. I know a lot of women who would say, yes i love my girlfriend I love kissing her and ****but i am not gay. (LOL!!!) I on the other hand, when i discovered this amazing thing about myself, went on a dance rampage in my house saying out loud and jumping up and down, OMG i think i am gay. I think I am a lesbian. I am a lesbian. I *am* a lesbian! (lol). That was the first time i found myself having feelings of being in love with a woman. Ever. And i remember thinking to myself, i am not damaged after all. I am not broken. I remember looking in the mirror at myself and thinking, I am beautiful and i am not broken and I am a lesbian! Of course she fell in love with me too, how could you not when you are so full of discovery and re-remembering who you were meant to be.

I think you son will feel that too when he feels that he is exaclty as he meant to be...I think whatever you can do to feel good about terms used to describe your son is a good thing. When you embrace it and fall in love with, with all its brilliance, you will experience something amazing.

[Evey]

Wow I just saw a clip of a young man who teachs "A" children and Abraham is so amazing. Abraham calls them "teachers of unconditional love" and "teachers of freedom" and go on to say that we all come here with a FULL VIEW of our physical bodies before we come so no one comes here to be trappedinto a body that they dont want to be in, no exceptions!

::wow:beautiful:::wow

I have been thinking a lot about myself and how is it that i found out much later about myself and it is as if i had been built with a timer when this AMAZING thing inside clicked in and turned on and it feels like it was done on purpose (prior to coming here) and it has taught those very VERY close to me (including myself) what unconditional love really is. IN other words, i think my sexuality really did shift and became something else, sort of like a tight bloom softly opening all driven by time.

Reminds me of night blooming water lillies...they open when the sun falls down.

http://www.touchofparadisedesignsinc.com/images/Catalog/night-water-lily.jpg

[Deester]

Beautiful post Evey, just beautiful.::hugging

[Leslie]

[color=navy][size=4]I agree, Evey. So beautiful. I love that what has happened within you, is teaching you all unconditional love. :beautiful:

[Leslie]

[color=darkorchid][size=4]And dearest Joyful Vibe--I can understand what you are saying, of course. It makes sense! ::devil and in no way do I take offense. ( And even if I did, that would be my rocket of desire to catch up with.)
But I would gently ask you: Are you asking me to be different so that you can be okay?
Are you requesting me or anyone to change how they speak when they label your son so that you can be more comfortable?

Because if so, that is conditional love, and it will drive you crazy.
So let me be clear--I don't care about the label. Evey's brilliant "A's" is very elegant. A+!

But I think this might be very helpful in what you are working with in your son's diagnosis.

Does it matter what others call him? Does HE care? (I love that SPLAT story!)
Does it matter what others call me? I am working on not caring what others think. I know you are too.
This might be a great place to start.

With much much much love and appreciation,
L::rainbow

IT'S OKAY.

[joyful vibe]

Leslie wrote:
But I would gently ask you: Are you asking me to be different so that you can be okay?
Are you requesting me or anyone to change how they speak when they label your son so that you can be more comfortable?

Yes, I am. I am asking. That's exactly what I'm doing. I am opening my heart and honestly letting you all know where I am on this subject.
This is where I am. I am not in a place where that label feels 100% good. I am on my way to okay....even something beyond okay that I can't describe right now.
When I feel sweet freedom and joy within myself for all my traits, then I can look at my son and feel more complete joy in his autisic traits ----then when you describe kids that fall on the spectrum as Austistics---then I won't even notice. I even felt a ping when you said you wished you were autistic. Hmm. Spoken like someone who doesn't know, really know, what it means, how altered life is.

It's kind of like how you want me to go up the EGS if/when I post here. Or post only from within my vortex. Why? So you can be comfortable and feel good? Are you requesting me or anyone to change how they speak when they label your son (or post on the forum..added by JV) so that you can be more comfortable? You can ask. I can ask.

Does that make sense? ::devil

::huggingJ LaV

[joyful vibe]

My Abe peeps - I'm out.

I'm not a vibe-match to this thread. Wee bit of forcing myself, and that's no fun.

Buzzing onward.....

::hearts JV

[Leslie]

[color=navy][size=4]:allgood Dear Joyful Vibe,
I love you. And I love your son. Be here if it is helpful for you. Stay away if it is not. All is well.


[align=center]It's Okay.

[Evey]

Ditto for me too! I have enjoyed our interaction so much! :kiss:

[joyful vibe]

Evey wrote:
Ditto for me too! I have enjoyed our interaction so much! :kiss:
I think you son will feel that too when he feels that he is exaclty as he meant to be...I think whatever you can do to feel good about terms used to describe your son is a good thing. When you embrace it and fall in love with, with all its brilliance, you will experience something amazing.

Wow I just saw a clip of a young man who teachs "A" children and Abraham is so amazing. Abraham calls them "teachers of unconditional love" and "teachers of freedom" and go on to say that we all come here with a FULL VIEW of our physical bodies before we come so no one comes here to be trappedinto a body that they dont want to be in, no exceptions!



Me too (enjoyed your thoughts on your self-discovery).
Evey, the bolded text above...I really appreciated your words. I got teary eyed thinking about falling in love with autism and all its brilliance....and then your knowing that I will experience something amazing. I believe that and that gives me comfort and excitement for what is coming. ::hugging

:kiss:

[Evey]

::stardust::hugging::stardust:kiss:

[Leslie]

I'm angry. And since I have requested that if members want to post from out of the Vortex, that they move up the scale and acknowledge that movement, I am going to demonstrate it, right now.

Here is the link to the emotional guidance scale.
http://theabeforum.com/forum7/10001.html

Here is the scale itself:
Joy/Knowledge/Empowerment/Freedom/Love/Appreciation Passion Enthusiasm/Eagerness/Happiness Positive Expectation/Belief Optimism Hopefulness Contentment Boredom Pessimism Frustration/Impatience/Irritation “Overwhelment” Disappointment Doubt Worry Blame Discouragement Anger Revenge Hatred/Rage Jealousy Insecurity/Guilt/Unworthiness Fear/Grief/Depression/Despair/Powerlessness ---From the book "Ask and It is Given", by Jerry and Esther Hicks, pg. 114

So, I'm angry. I'm at level 17.
I'm going to move myself up the scale now, because this is the ABRAHAM FORUM and we are here to PRACTICE THE TEACHINGS OF ABRAHAM. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks of our posts, it doesn't matter if anyone else feels 'COMFORTABLE' about what we post here, IT MATTERS THAT WE TRY TO FEEL BETTER.

This is not a place for endlessly airing our grievances. It is a place for practicing the teachings of Abraham. That is why I request that members MAKE THE EFFORT to consciously move up the scale. THAT IS THE ONLY REASON.

Well--there, I thoroughly explored my anger at level 17!
Next stop, Discouragement.

16. I feel so discouraged that long time members may not GET this very simple idea! It's like, are we just spinning our wheels here?!
15. BLAME--It is people's own fault if they don't want to practice this stuff and instead point fingers, just like I am doing right now!!! I guess, I can feel some compassion, because it must feel better for them to blame ME. ahhhh I get it! That was an unconscious movement up the scale!!!! Wow! That makes so much sense! Oh, wow. I'm crying now, in public, the only place where I can get wiFi. Oh wow.

QUANTUM LEAP.

1. Joy, love, empowerment, love, love love love love love love love love love love.

It's okay.

It is okay.

All is well.
It's all good.

It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks of me.
It only matters what I think.
I think: I'm glad for what this DVD study group has created. I love this forum. I love this thread. I love every member who has contributed to it. I love this contrast. I love what it has produced. It's all good. it's all good.

I feels so much better, it makes me weep with joy. Wow. This stuff really really works.

Thank you.


ETA: I did that! I consciously moved myself up the scale, and the ride was better than I could have imagined! I had no idea that THAT would happen, but I knew that it would be good. And wow. I'm really blown away by this, if I do say so myself. I feel so much better. and I DID THAT.

[Leslie]

Okay! that was something! I hope that the OOTV parts of my last post were not uncomfortable for anyone, but you know what? I will trust that if they are, you will do the work to help yourself feel better about it.

Also, I am cutting myself some slack, because I'm abroad and it's intense here. So that 'outburst' was just the bouncing off place for me. And it's okay.

So, now that I feel better, I want to address something directly.

Dear Joyful Vibe, thank you for your honesty regarding your journey with your son.

Now that I am back in alignment, I want to directly answer what you asked: Why do I request members who want to post from out of the Vortex, to consciously make an effort to move up the scale? Is it to make the post more comfortable to read?

Here on the Abe Forum, our mandate is to discuss the application of the teachings of Abraham to our lives.

One of those teachings is the idea that, while it is okay to explore 'where we are' briefly, it is of most value to care how we feel and to try to feel better. To reach for relief. To find a better feeling thought.

So, on the forum, we do not encourage long tirades of 'what is.' It is okay to consider briefly where we are.

But the process of CONSCIOUSLY moving ourselves up the scale is SO EMPOWERING. And that is the point of this 'rule.' It is to EMPOWER the person posting.

So often, people post asking others for help moving up the scale. And while this is fine, and really lovely to watch, it is the energetic equivalent of tossing someone a fish, instead of teaching them how to catch a fish on their own. Or whatever that truism is.::devil


So, I am all about empowerment. I believe that we have everything we need within us to make ourselves feel better. And this is one of those tools.

It is EXTREMELY SATISFYING to consciously move oneself up the scale.

I hope that answers the question fully!

And I appreciate this opportunity to explore my own mind.

Thanks guys. I'm going for a walk now.::runmickey

I appreciate you for reading this!

[joyful vibe]

Leslie,
::hugging

I'm giving you a hug with words and my vibration now. Huggity hug HUG!

I know you are doing your best to moderate this forum. You are giving it your all. And I know you're busy working too. Away from home.

I heard that under anger is hurt. And I'm guessing you were feeling hurt by my....pushing an opinion or idea or something ~~ we just weren't vibrationally clicking on something. Or maybe hurt that I am just being defiant on a point and not agreeing.

Sure feels better when we all agree and come from the same or similar tone/vibration, doesn't it?

I think I'm not in a place about autism and my son, that you would like me to be.
I was seeking compassion; I had/have lots of resistance to feeling ....mandated to express my emotions a certain way.
And I was feeling pressure from you (it's within myself but maybe that's the blaming something outside of me thing you were saying) to feel a certain way about autism NOW.

I have to tell you that with anything - autism or any disability, like if I or a loved one was to become disabled - like injury and become a paraplegic or if someone died......no matter how long I've studied Abraham....I would still need time to feel my feelings and adjust and find a way to live feeling better. It takes time. For me. Grief takes time. And I apologize to no one - for how I feel or that I'm even feeling grief or anger or sadness about my son and his autistic traits.

Have I disappointed you in how I'm dealing with this? How I didn't beat the drum of how awesome it is to live with someone who is autistic? My growth in this could take all of his life, the rest of my days. I have no idea when.....or IF....I will ever be happy about it. It's an every minute reach for the thoughts that feel better about my kid, and about many things in my life. (to anyone reading this please know I love my son beyond words and so much is good. I was holding him the other night while he was falling asleep and I felt the full blending of Who We Really Are. just don't want people jumping on me as if I don't adore him.)

Anyway, I'm glad you're feeling better. And, with me you can be as angry as you want (and angry with me) and not even DO THE WORK. Cuz I know you'll get to it whenever. Love and acceptance remains. Time to be easy with all this. Really. Easy on myself, easy on you ::stardust

(would be really cool to focus on what Abe has said about autistics and how advanced they are and how they are here to help open us to new ways of communicating. .....think I just realized a lot of my resistance is fear that I'm not up to the task. Gulp. Think I'll saying some affirming things to myself ...over and over 'til I change that belief. Think a different thought enough and grow a new belief: I am ready for this. I have been focusing on loving him and that is always good. I desire to go through this growth experience not in pain and angst, but in real joy and ease and laughter. The answers, the help I feel I need is on the way. And in the meantime, I will keep reaching for my joy, that wave of love that surges through me. Source is me, is with me. I don't have to have it all figured out today. I don't have to force an emotion I'm not feeling. I just have to be me relaxing. Me breathing deep the strength that is here for me. My son chose me and his daddy for this ride. I am worthy. I am resilient. I am open to Love. I am Love. ::stardust

[Evey]

joyful vibe wrote:


Have I disappointed you in how I'm dealing with this?
Joyful, i seriously doubt that you did! But the main thing is not to give a rats arse about anyone else thinksbut your own movement up the scale. I think that is what leslie is saying. Care about you! Care about you! Care about the relationship between you and you. I think your son is saying the same thing. "I came here being so different on purpose because it is powerful way to teach and provide balance and it would be nice if you got over it (fun) but it does not matter if you dont because i am not changing the way i am to please you. In fact i think i will not notice that much that you are not pleased." ::hugging::hugging



Leslie, awesome way to work up the scale. I loved it! it felt like fresh air. And it made me laugh at the times I get angry sometimes at others.

[shiningsalsa]

I do not have the DVD but was planning to lurk on this thread as I have just had my first brush with autism. However, I feel inspired to tell my story.

I recently manifested the opportunity to fulfil a lifelong dream of being trained to teach maths to children in a scheme called One-To-One.

I was given Archie as my case study on the course and then as a student on the scheme. He was presented to me as uncommunicative by the teacher and “stuck” academically in that his levels have not advanced for over three years which means that he is pronounced to be below his expected level for his age. He is 8.

His school have tried to have him diagnosed as having special educational needs which would mean extra funding for extra tuition but he is failing the statementing tests. They cannot find anything “wrong” with him.

My experience with this child baffled me completely. I discovered an artistic, bright, sincere, self-believer with a canny little sense of humour and a knowing air of all being well. Although a little reticent at first, he quickly co-created with me in establishing a trusting and mature work relationship between us.

I prepared lessons which approached his curriculum from different angles but in each subject he demonstrated an adequate and sometimes more-than-adequate understanding of the subjects and I had to throw most of what I had prepared in the bin. Now I was the one who was stuck!

I work with an ex-teacher in my office job who has been an excellent sounding board and on hearing about Archie he asked if he could bounce my dilemma off someone he knew who might be able to help. This person was my colleague’s mother who, now retired, had held a senior position within a local authority working with autism in schools. She sent me this message:

“Everybody falls somewhere on the autism spectrum. Everybody. Archie displays the characteristics of someone a little further along the spectrum than “neuro-normals” but not so far that he is displaying all the traits which would lead to a formal diagnosis.


He is not academically challenged - as has been proved by his failing the statementing tests - he is bored. And so he shuts out what is boring him.

I advise you to play to his artistic and mathematical strengths in order to create a frame of reference to which he can relate.”

Hmmm... I thought. I’m not keen on labelling and this information is way beyond my brief and my training. Then I remembered that Abraham speaks of autism and watched the Paradigm Shift clip. I tingled.

Perhaps my immersion in these teachings is what is serving me in this situation. Perhaps I have unconsciously read his energy rather than trying to relate to him with speech. I could think of no other course of action and so I decided to secretly try what the woman had advised without telling the school. I began to teach him algebra.

I taught him the importance of a nice sharp pencil, of sitting up straight and viewing and owning his work, and then I introduced algebra. I demonstrated the effectiveness of well laid out formal notation. Within 15 minutes the child was solving simple algebraic equations. I had only a few sessions left as I had spent time getting myself to this understanding but we made wonderful progress in a very short time.

Archie was given his usual end-of-term assessment and his level in maths has jumped to “average for his age”. This is a notable achievement in a school which struggles academically, it is almost the equivalent of being above average in this environment. The teacher had tears in her eyes when she told me the news as did I.

The pronouncement from my colleague’s mother that everyone is on the autistic spectrum resonated with me as I am very comfortable not speaking in social gatherings. I’m often called quiet or deep, but it’s simply that I feel no calling to speak. I can be loud and socially skilled, but only when I feel like it. My man, on the other hand, will chatter incessantly and I often notice that he has nothing to say really, he’s just behaving in a way that feels comfortable for him.

That’s my story. I’m not trying to say anything here, I have no idea whether Archie has autism or not. This is a whole new subject for me so excuse my ignorance but I shall be reading the posts voraciously as I feel that acquiring knowledge will serve me in my new career.

There are so many autistic children coming into the school where I work that they are building a whole new wing devoted to teaching them.


Joanne x

::stardust

[Evey]

Joanne! Thank you for sharing this story! ::stardust

[joyful vibe]

shiningsalsa wrote:

My experience with this child baffled me completely. I discovered an artistic, bright, sincere, self-believer with a canny little sense of humour and a knowing air of all being well.
**
“Everybody falls somewhere on the autism spectrum. Everybody. Archie displays the characteristics of someone a little further along the spectrum than “neuro-normals” but not so far that he is displaying all the traits which would lead to a formal diagnosis.


Joanne!!
::TU:kiss:
I want to cry with relief and happiness.
After reading your post I got my first real, genuine, rush of
LUCKY ME!!! LUCKY LUCKY ME!!! I AM SO BLESSED!!! REALLY REALLY REALLY!! WE ARE ALL AUTISTIC! AND MY KIDDO HAS THE DIAGNOSIS! HOW COOL!! How incredible for all who get to work with him and know him and care about him. Thank you Source for this gift. :kiss:

Joyful Vibe Sandy

[Deester]

::wowto Joyful Vibe Sandy and Joanne - your sharing is truly a gift to us reading here. Thank you so much.::hugging::hugging::hugging

[Leslie]

I agree. This is an incredible thread, and so much expansion and allowing are happening here.

I feel irritated. That is level 10 on the scale. Well, that is better than anger, so good for me for moving up my set point. Another way to handle this would be for me to leave the topic completely and focus on things that feel good, like Joanne's amazing story, or Evey's fantastic July Med Thread, and that would be fine. But since the issue under contention is Process number 22 in Ask and It is Given, Moving Up The Emotional Scale, I am going to demonstrate it again. And this is entirely for ME, so that I feel better. Because I want to feel good about this thread and my position on the forum, and frankly, i don't give a rip what anyone thinks about it.

Level 10. Irritation--It is so irritating to be misunderstood. (IB says--Evey got it!)

Level 9. Pessimism--Most people will probably not get this stuff until they croak.

Level 8. Boredom--I AM SO BORED OF REPEATING MYSELF. In fact, moderator decisions are off topic for the forum, so I could easily delete this whole interaction.

Ahhh, sweet relief at that thought.
Level 8. Contentment--It's okay. It is OK. Nothing has to happen. Nobody has to 'get it.' Except me. I I I have the get it. And I do. This feels so good.
Level 7. Hopefulness--I hope people get it. In fact, I hope the world gets it, and like I said before, they will when they croak! And croaking is a good thing! I love talking to my dad! I need to respond on that other thread, but I just talked to him and he said, 'Leave that girl alone!'

Okay, Dad!

Ooh, now that I am back in the Vortex, I say--I am going to keep myself on topic on this thread now. I may start another thread for the Moving Up the EGS process. We are here on this thread to discuss Autism from the Abraham perspective. We are blessed to have a mom who has a son with a diagnosis. This is truly a gift.


And I just understood something. Joyful Vibe--you and I are a match. I want to control how you post on the forum, and you want to control how people think about your son. It is a match.

So, I am going to let go of control and just Hold The Vision of this forum, moderating itself, so that only people applying the teaching to their lives (which of course, you are doing, JV, as is everyone on this thread) and anything other than that will feel uncomfortable posting here. It's so simple.
I will trust the power that creates worlds!

Wow, I feel so much better. That is awesome.

I really love you guys, and this work. I am going to reply to that other thread, then meditate.::ohm

[Evey]

Leslie, every single interaction i have observed from you always adds...and it is worth it even if only one person gets it. But it is always worth it if you expand and keep up with it and you are.

I see all of us expanding and it feels so good to see and when we keep up, that really feels so good!

[joyful vibe]

Leslie wrote:
And I just understood something. Joyful Vibe--you and I are a match. I want to control how you post on the forum, and you want to control how people think about your son. It is a match.

Leslie,
I....do...not....want...to....control anything about what anyone thinks about me or about my son. (that is your thingy, not mine) I don't care what others think, and I've only been met with pure love, kindness, upliftment, support, understanding and caring on this subject (and where I am in processing it). I opened up and love from so many sources (of sweet Source) has been flowing to me. Just realized that gift in this too....

What I wanted to do was feel Abe-fantastic about Autism and my son and I needed to allow myself time for that. I felt rushed. I felt that you were rushing me. You weren't. That was my trip. Within our interchange (which I knew you would consider deleting, surprised you haven't already), I boom boom boom launched rockets. And I've allowed what I so desired to come in.
And isn't that the point. To feel better. Regardless of anyone outside of you who is being a rascal and "making" you angry, then irritated.

In between this morning's posting and when I had an aha after Joanne's beautiful post - I had lunch with a friend who said it is okay how I'm feeling and to not expect anyone to understand unless they've gone through it. And I listened to an old Abe CD and the entire CD had me soaring, opened me up to allowing.

We aren't a match now. Let's quit forcing it ~ cuz we'll connect again vibrationally in the near future, of that I have no doubt, and we can have a love fest and mutual admiration addition to this thread. Personally I think that would be wonnnnnnnderful to experience and uplifting for anyone to read.

Kind of funny how I was so done with this thread and on and on I still posted. I wasn't done. Maybe Source knew the expansion I was going to have today and gently nudged me to hang in there - and speak my truth. I'm always going to speak my truth. Always.

::singerJV

[Fireball]

Wow! I just watched the entire DVD yesterday and got caught up on this thread today. Thank you Leslie and Sandy for being such brilliant examples of the DVD.

Thank you for being powerful deliberate creators remaning true to yourselves and not conforming to what anyoneelse thinks or believes. Thank youfor showing us such a clear example of our unique, individual perspectives and that every one has an amazing voice and viewpoint.

Thank you for allowing us to appreciate the diversity and variety that exists even on this Abe Forum dedicated to the teachings of Abraham. Thank you for being honest, open and most of all - THANK YOU FOR FEELING!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you for feeling and expressing your emotions, especially the negative ones! I love that I can feel anger or rage or powerlessness. I love that I can cry and scream and roar at the world. I love that I can FEEL!

I also love that Abraham has reminded me what all of those feelings mean. I love that I can make peace with where I am - which often means digging deep into the feeling place and wringing it dry until the cry of my soul is, "I JUST WANT TO FEEL BETTER!!" It's the dark night of the soul that lets you know that feeling good is the MOST IMPORTANT THING!

I love knowing that when I get there - to the bottom of the feeling - I know there is only one way to go - UP - often ZOOMING UP, not stopping along the way, but gleefully, joyfully, quickly, with freedom powering my sails, I run into my Vortex and shout with joy, "I'm home, I'm home, I'm home."

[camelia]

joyful vibe wrote:
I was seeking compassion; I had/have lots of resistance to feeling ....mandated to express my emotions a certain way.




Hi Joyful Vibe; I undersstand where you are coming from. I have posted on here in a highly distressed state, seeking help because there was no where else for me to go. I was shocked by some of the replies I received andfully got the message that I would get a match for my vibrations, rather than a helping hand up the scale if I did that, so I wouldn't do it again, it wasn't fun. although a couple of people did give me an Abeish and loving hand and they stick in my mind to this day. I was very grateful. If I feel really angry and upset about anything now, I go elsewhere for a help in finding relief, and save the forum for my good moods LOL. And to be fair, we are asked on signing up to post in postive terms, and too much angst from too many posters might drag the overall tone of the forum down.

I would just like to say that my little boy has been somewhat of a handful and I have worried from time to time there might be something going on with him, and I hear the worry in your voice about whether he is going to be OK.

He is probably far better not having any kind of label, but being given the benefit of the doubt that he may rise amazingly to the challenges in his life and be the miracle you would like him to be.

However, for the purposes of this thread, it is difficult to discuss the topic without using the A word. I would just use it for general guidance and help. However, is it possible for you to free your son from having the label, and once again think of him as the whole, many toned, complex being that his is. He's a holistic being, not a person on a linear spectrum of socialisation that is after all created categorised and named by us. Other than that it doesn't really exist, except as a way for us to try to understand our differences. What is normal?

Also Leslie I understand the challenge you have as the moderator. Its like being the head prefect and having to keep things in line when sometimes it would be more fun to play, and also having an importantjob to do thatobviously requires a lot of work. Youare great at organising new ways to practise the teachings, and motivating the practise.Thank you for starting up the A thread. It's good to be reminded that Abe sees it from a completely different perspective than the education or health systems we have developed, where it is not so much on the leading edge.

If I am going to label my little cat tail pulling, throwing things on the ground hellraiser who is frequently incredibly delightful and angelic; then it will be with positive labels, like bright and brilliant and mischievous and growing up in his own sweet time. He used to pull the cats tail when he was four, but he doesn't do that anymore. He actually loves the cat to bits, he just wanted to play with her when he was little but was too quick and busy for her, and so she always tried to run away, and he loves a challenge.

aniheartaniheartaniheartaniheartaniheartaniheartan iheartaniheartaniheartaniheart

[camelia]

And I second what Fireball said. WTG. You say it so eloquently.

[Evey]

My libra self wants to bring everyone together and make everyone feel ::heartsand they i remembered that is the OLD M.O. which is not only completely unnecessary (All is Well), it only pulls me apart to try. ANd it does not work that way.

::LOLI love that we have new posters here on this topic. I love that this is not the easiest topic and yet we have eagerness and focus to tackle with the intention to close the gap.

I am also filled with appreciation for the MODS. Because if feels like an unselfish job to me. You risk losing your pure connection from where you are to help peeps move up the scale before they are ready or wanting to. As you reach toward them from where you are, toward where they are...(something Source wont even do), you sometimes manage it and sometimes not but it is never worthit. I think others in between do a perfect job. So i am showing appreciation right now...::hugging. See, i am doing it too ::devil, right now i am now vibing the frustration mods must feel too. ::devil. The way Abe would guide me is to see step one moments as GOOD, which is easy. They are just rocket moments. Expansion for the individual is a personal free choice.

Step 1 is good...::devileven better if i am not doing it ::devil. I dont have to look at someone's step one too long. I can choose to see the expansion part of the IB instead. I can know all pain is self-imposed (but not a big deal--it inly means the potential for equally intense JOY is there). ::devilI did plenty of step 1 in my younger years, why should i keep anyone else from their. If i notice their step ones too long, i dont do them any service. If i notice MY step 3 and keep focus there...i do anyone in contact with me a great service (although that is not the point).

I am feeling better already. I am appreciating everyone and everything here. All is well. People who do step one moments here often are my biggest teachers. I just have to keep THAT in mind. ::flowers::hearts

[joyful vibe]

Hey everybody.....just wanted to say that when posting you don't really have to avoid using the word (even though I was feeling not strong about this one day and posted a request to say it a certain way) autistic or any variations.

Autism
Autistics
on the spectrum
A's

I've even in conversation said - 'I don't know if that's typical 4-year old little boy behavior or if that's autistic-y'.

I've moved up the 'grief scale' on this diagnosis. I'm in acceptance, and I know I'm on my way to celebrating it.
I've been living with my son for 4.5 years and you begin by noticing where they are struggling and things that seem different from other kids. So I've had all this time to already know him and know (well, figure it out through trial and error) what things to avoid, what things to alter, what things to transition to slowly, slowly, what things to communicate for him, what things I need much more know-how and education on. I'm just a mom. I'm not a nurse nor a special needs educator.

To really know what autism is I'm seeing it's best to talk with those who have studied and worked in the field and worked with these kids. I hear more and more how those who work with kids get opened to an incredible experience and a perspective beyond what we can imagine.

Autism is so very nuanced - everyone diagnosed with it has it differently. I'm am out of my mind grateful for the professionals who have started to work with me and my son. There's is actually an overwhelming amount of services and places that can help us and people everywhere who want to help.

The world IS opening up to other ways of communicating. I see nothing but incredibly wonderful things ahead for me, my son, our family and all of us who are open to ...becoming more.

I've googled Autism and Spirituality and there's even been some writing about that.

I appreciate how Abraham has helped us see the beauty and even advanced nature of anyone....blessed to be noticed as being autistic. We want to help them communciate and have friendships and we also want to communicate more how they do. More vibrationally, less dependent on words.

Much love to everyone who's posted. I learn (or remember) more about mySelf through all of you, through every interaction I have. You give me back to mySelf. :beautiful:

:kiss:

[Evey]

:kiss:::huggingJoyful!!::hugging:kiss:xx Evey

[Leslie]

[color=navy][size=4]Hi guys! I love you. Sandy, you know I love you, and I know you love me, and it's all good, and we are all in this together!!!!!!!!
I love coming to this feeling! It is okay for both of us to be how we are! It's all good!!!

Okay, so I watched the DVD again, and what came out for me this time was so wonderful.

1. Parents think it is our job to teach our children how to be disapproved of by the least amount of people possible. LOL!!!!!

How crazy is that?! But I understand exactly what they mean by this! And it is such a relief to let it go. My children get to have their own experiences in the world. I don't need to control it. (Duh! I CAN'T control it, so let go of the oars and let the stream carry you, Leslie!)

I saw something beautiful the other day. I was in a busy toyshop with my kids, and my daughter was trying to put a box back up on a high shelf. She was too short to push it all the way up, and it looked like it was going to fall down on top of her. I was too far away to help, and also, I wasn't worried about it falling, if it did. I was just watching to see what would happen.
Another mom walking by,without fanfare, just gave the box a little shove so that it was solidly on the shelf, and kept on walking without acknowledgement. And my daughter just moved on to the next toy to look at, not really knowing *how* she had been helped. she wasn't "grateful" or anything--it was like 'I wanted to put the box on the shelf, and there it is on the shelf, and everything always works out for me."

I started to cry with the beauty of it! I thanked that other mom in my heart. It reminded me of this DVD that said, there will alwYs be people there to help your children if they are in alignment.

Aaahhhh.

Okay, that's all I want to post for today. I will save 2. for another time!

Xoxooxoxo
L::rainbow

[Leslie]

[color=darkorange][size=4]Also, Lisa, nice to have you back! What awesome energy you have brought to the thread. Your 'Vortex Focus' month has clearly treated you very well!

[Evey]

OMG Leslie! I love that story. I am going to see myself as your DD..being helped by unseen sources...and no big deal!

:beautiful::kiss:

[Fireball]

Leslie wrote:
[color=darkorange][size=4]Also, Lisa, nice to have you back! What awesome energy you have brought to the thread. Your 'Vortex Focus' month has clearly treated you very well!

HI Leslie!

I'm actually going back off the boards. Felt inspired to watch the DVD and post when I did. Thank you for suggesting this DVD to watch - I love the opening and I love the empowering message of the whole DVD!

Have fun!

[Leslie]

[color=navy][size=4]what is this, the thread where people declare they're stopping posting?!?!
::LOL::LOL::LOL

just kidding of course! We are honored to have your 400th post on this thread. Thanks for a luminous entry, and enjoy your Vortex! Your retreat is clearly working--your posts have lovely energy.

I feel so giggly and silly. It's all good. Okay, so here's 2.

Abe speaks for an autistic kid, saying what they want you to hear is:" go over there and play in something you enjoy and Leave Me Alone!"

gosh, I like the freedom of that so much!!!

I DO think my children feel this way. That they want to enjoy themselves and want me to enjoy myself, whether that is with them or not.

But spending time with them if I am not enjoying myself is a waste do everyone's time.

I just like that. 'Leave me alone.' I don't know why that feels like such a relief to me, but it does.

Xoxoxo
L::rainbow

[joyful vibe]

Leslie wrote:
But spending time with them if I am not enjoying myself is a waste do everyone's time.

I just like that. 'Leave me alone.' I don't know why that feels like such a relief to me, but it does.


Hey there. I was just thinking yesterday (while I'm 'working on' finding a feeling of freedom while bobbing around on the sea of my current reality)....that I spend almost all of my day forcing myself to play with my kiddo at what he wants to play with. Like riding elevators every weekday. I mean, I spend so much time trying to find the positive in what we're doing. And I definitely (of course) get to a point where I just want to be left alone. Occasionally he'll do this and play on his own ....but it's just SO wild ...he wants me close by always. When he's going to a new school this fall he's already asking me will I be waiting in a room down the hall. I do think this is all a cosmic joke sometimes, a joke on me. Abe calls it contrast. And he picks up on my vibrations and then wants to be with me more. I'm a prisioner of my vibrational output!!

PIVOT!!

But I hope you can hear (feel my vibe) that I know somehow it won't always be like this. And the responsibility is ALL mine (and I accept and feel empowered from that knowledge) to feel free, to feel happy, to feel fulfilled, to create the reality I want to live.

The new thing is going to parks and not playing on the playground but sitting there while he opens and closes and bangs the doors shut on the outdoor potties (biffys).

The saving grace is seeing how pure positive energy happy he is when we're visiting elevators. How he skips and sings and smiles big down the hall looking for the mechanical room doors. How he loves asking people what floor do you want and being the button pusher. Oh, I think I'll just focus purely on that and ride that feeling of his joy pouring out.

::stardustJV

[va0727]

Whew! What a trip I just now took. I've been on vacation and didn't have a lot of access to the forum. Every now and then I would peek into this thread but didn't stay, now I know why. I was definitely not a match to this amazing thread. I was living in fluffy vacation-land. So today I read this entire thread and it was quite a journey. Here are some of my thoughts:

I am drawn to this topic even though I have no experience with autistic children. I am a nurse so I'm interested in health-related topics. I have however listened to several of Abe videos on the topic and I feel a deep resonance with the idea that these children are here to teach us major lessons. Paradigm shift describes the process perfectly. It's almost as if areas previously darkened within my brain are getting glimmers of daylight. It's a beautiful feeling. Bless of the awesome parents of these extraordinary children, I can appreciate the challenges of day to day living with them. But know that amazing new understanding for all of us regarding vibrational communication is coming about through them. All of us on this planet need this shifting awareness at this time in our evolution.

This thread was so reflective of the range of emotions that can be elicited and then on the heels of that new understandings and a-ha moments. This is life and it's beautiful to see it played out in a written format here. Communicating via the written word allows for very well thought out communication.

I love this forum playground interacting with like minded people. So thank you everyone for such great sharing. Thank you especially Joyful Vibe for your open, powerful, from the heart sharing of your feelings, that has been what has made this thread so incredibly rich to read.::hugging

I loved reading about the connection with autism and homosexuality too, so interesting. The message is similar....here I am in all my glory! It is our journey to move into seeing them as perfect, beautiful, just they way they are meant to be.. and we are given a gift when we arrive at this acceptance.

Thanks everyone for such an amazing thread, I hope the conversation continues!

Virginia ::hearts

[missmolly47]

Leslie wrote:
what is this, the thread where people declare they're stopping posting?!?!
So funny, I just came on to unwatch and say that I'm not going to participate in this one after all, I will still be posting though in other threads. the alaska cruise has initiated big shifts in vibration for me and I am watching it all unfold beautifully.

love you all.
miss molly

[TryAgain]

Leslie wrote:
what is this, the thread where people declare they're stopping posting?!?!
::LOL::LOL::LOL



Well, howabout this....this is the thread where I come to declare that I am lurking and reading and enjoying and basking and expanding and finding clarity and loving (all, without posting).
::flowers::flowers::flowers::flowers::flowers::flo wers::flowers::flowers::flowers::flowers::flowers: :flowers::flowers::flowers::flowers

[joyful vibe]

TryAgain wrote:
Well, howabout this....this is the thread where I come to declare that I am lurking and reading and enjoying and basking and expanding and finding clarity and loving (all, without posting).
::flowers

::TU for your lovely declaration.

::heartsJoyful V

[Leslie]

I agree, JV--Try Again~ Nice to have your energy here.

Please, everyone should do what is in the Vortex for them, of course! and I'm glad you are all doing that! Come back if it feels good, and stay away if it feels good, lurk if it feels good. IT'S ALL GOOD! :)


I just listened to the link again, just to ground myself in the material, and it's great.

I love when Abe says--"they know that what they are doing is not working."


For me, that is such a useful thing all around. It's kind of like what Dr. Phil says, "How's that working out?"

This material just WORKS. It works. I can tell. It makes such a difference in my life. It's working out VERY WELL.

Also, I love how Abe says, "Most would be more comfortable with you getting religious than talking about vibration."

It's funny, this is how I feel about talking with 'non-abers.' I can have very leading edge conversations with believing, practicing Christians, because they have a concept of non-physical interaction (although they would call it something else). But they have had experiences that make it possible to have really interesting discussions.

I like being here. I'm so happy to be in the Philippines. I enjoy being in a Catholic country!

And I enjoy this time away from what is 'normal' so that I can really carve out my day for what I want.

I appreciate you guys, this discussion, and the forum, SO MUCH.

xooxoxox
L::rainbow

[joyful vibe]

Hi there!
Just wanted to say I've watched the DVD twice in the last couple of days and I took notes to what spoke to me. And I heard different things each time (isn't that fun?).
And the tears!!
I'm putting my thoughts together and will be posting soon.
You know I wish I could be in the hotseat and talk with Abe about my little guy and my...expansion. Really feel that all is well, and cut through the cloud of negative-feeling thoughts that still run through my mind. If nothing else, at least I'm very aware of the thoughts, and many rockets have been launched.

::heartsJoyful Vibe

[Leslie]

[size=4]This is wonderful, Joyful Vibe, and I can't wait to hear your thoughts.

What I got this last time from watching it-- is that we are here for a joyful life, and it's an inside job. And that's what these kids came to teach us, because they WON'T CHANGE won't submit to societal pressure to
change.
And they are mostly joyful. Joyful life. It is why we are here.

Aahhh.

[joyful vibe]

My peeps.
I'm wanting to post when I'm feeling in my Vortex or at least have my toes in there tickling in the waters of wooohoo. :)

So many thoughts, floating in contrast and getting only glimpses of my vibe escrow. Trying to imagine the feeling of what I want...but it's too big for me to do right now.

My kid is doing SO good. Happy, happy, energetic, bold, sweet, mischievous. And going through quite a lot of why, why, why questions peppered with what could happen, if...??! questions.

All I can think these days is that *for me* parenting asks everything of me, then it asks for more. And I'm feeling resentment. I cannot imagine freedom, or what I would even do if I had more time.

So, for these days I am trying to insert myself, and little things I want in with my days with my child which are primarily all about what he wants.
I long for the feeling of it not having to be "either or". I want that "both and". I want to expand and become more while I'm clocking in hours of my day, of my life playing with him, riding elevators, watching him slam doors, and love the cat aggressively despite (and no doubt because) his dad and I have been asking him to be gentle and not hurt her. (I just get up and leave the room. Distract myself. and try to drown out the sound of the cat crying and my son smiling big. My sweet child enjoying hurting her (it seems) but really just not getting the cause-effect of hurting her, and loving that sound she makes. contrast, contrast, contrast!!!)

I'm resentful of those whose kids are older and they can more easily put the spotlight of their own life back on themselves.

I wish to see the bigger picture. I no longer want to feel more negative than good. I just want to feel fantastic, free, and eager for more....I don't want to long for his bedtime, and feel ...less than enthusiastic for the morning.
Am I loving the contrast - as Abe asks?
Hey, I was wondering if there is any expansion without contrast? Can't we just live in joy?
And is contrast just a word - but really nothing that occurs has any meaning - even contrast...except the meaning I give to it? Wouldn't that be cool to view contrast from *only* the point of view of OH YEAH BABY SWEET EXPANSION COMING MY WAY!!::devil

Back soon with more thoughts on the DVD and what spoke to me.
Think I'll go see a movie later and get more vortexy-viewing and then I'll post.

::hugging Joyful Vibe

[CR]

TryAgain wrote:
Leslie wrote:
what is this, the thread where people declare they're stopping posting?!?!
::LOL::LOL::LOL



Well, howabout this....this is the thread where I come to declare that I am lurking and reading and enjoying and basking and expanding and finding clarity and loving (all, without posting).
::flowers::flowers::flowers::flowers::flowers::flo wers::flowers::flowers::flowers::flowers::flowers: :flowers::flowers::flowers::flowers
I love that. I second it!

[CR]

joyful vibe wrote:
My peeps.
I'm wanting to post when I'm feeling in my Vortex or at least have my toes in there tickling in the waters of wooohoo. :)

So many thoughts, floating in contrast and getting only glimpses of my vibe escrow. Trying to imagine the feeling of what I want...but it's too big for me to do right now.

My kid is doing SO good. Happy, happy, energetic, bold, sweet, mischievous. And going through quite a lot of why, why, why questions peppered with what could happen, if...??! questions.

All I can think these days is that *for me* parenting asks everything of me, then it asks for more. And I'm feeling resentment. I cannot imagine freedom, or what I would even do if I had more time.

So, for these days I am trying to insert myself, and little things I want in with my days with my child which are primarily all about what he wants.
I long for the feeling of it not having to be "either or". I want that "both and". I want to expand and become more while I'm clocking in hours of my day, of my life playing with him, riding elevators, watching him slam doors, and love the cat aggressively despite (and no doubt because) his dad and I have been asking him to be gentle and not hurt her. (I just get up and leave the room. Distract myself. and try to drown out the sound of the cat crying and my son smiling big. My sweet child enjoying hurting her (it seems) but really just not getting the cause-effect of hurting her, and loving that sound she makes. contrast, contrast, contrast!!!)

I'm resentful of those whose kids are older and they can more easily put the spotlight of their own life back on themselves.

I wish to see the bigger picture. I no longer want to feel more negative than good. I just want to feel fantastic, free, and eager for more....I don't want to long for his bedtime, and feel ...less than enthusiastic for the morning.
Am I loving the contrast - as Abe asks?
Hey, I was wondering if there is any expansion without contrast? Can't we just live in joy?
And is contrast just a word - but really nothing that occurs has any meaning - even contrast...except the meaning I give to it? Wouldn't that be cool to view contrast from *only* the point of view of OH YEAH BABY SWEET EXPANSION COMING MY WAY!!::devil

Back soon with more thoughts on the DVD and what spoke to me.
Think I'll go see a movie later and get more vortexy-viewing and then I'll post.

::hugging Joyful Vibe
Sending you much love!!!!::hugging

[Leslie]

[size=4][color=navy]Hi guys!

Beloved Sandy, thank you for your post!
Any mother can understand how you feel. Or at least--I know I can relate.

What Abe said to me in the hotseat really helped me:

I said "I love my kids so much, why do I sometimes want to throttle them?"

::LOL::LOL::LOL

They said, "Because in your living with them and loving them and wanting to throttle them, you have put a version of them in your vibrational escrow that you are not currently being a match to."

they said, "when your happiness depends on other people behaving in a certain way, you're not going to be happy for long. In fact you are not going to be happy at all, because that is the essence of conditional love. You gotta find a way to be happy regardless of what they are doing."

"When they are being rotten, that's not who they ARE. Look over here (in my Vortex) where they really are."

With my kids now, just like you, if I get out of the Vortex, I leave the room. Or, if they are in my room, I say, "I am out of alignment--better to leave me alone. I am going to work on feeling better. " And they leave.

I love the Abe stuff with kids, because it made me realize how Conditionally Loving I can be!!! I thought i was this loving and spiritual person, but that was only with people who agree with me and who Behave!!!
::LOL

I am still working on it. :):allgood

thanks for the opportunity to reflect!

Also, I think the DVD study has been fascinating. A paraphrase quote:

"The kids are mostly downstream. They are here to teach us joyous life."

ahhhhh.

[camelia]

Hi JV, I don't know what it's like to have an autistic diagnosis, but I do know what its like to be driven to distraction by my son's behaviour, and to be unable to think straight, so all the great parenting ideas that you are able to have with children when you have the mental space and time, just fly away. I always found it helpful to have people remind me then about simple things I could do - things I already knew I would think of if I was in the vortex. So if you have a good friend you trust that you can run some of the scenarious by, that may be able to offer practical simple solutions which work at least some of the time, then its a good thing.

For instance, with the cat, you could just try removing the cat from the situation, rather than trying to talk your son into being gentle with it. This is kinder to the cat and also removes the temptation from your son and helps circumvent the setting up of habits. Your cat will be happier outside or in a quiet room until your son goes to bed. Also I wouldn't ride the elevator all day. If you can't get your son out of that situation without a major tantrum, then use the simple technique of offering him an icecream once he is in the car. I know we are not supposed to do this, ie bribe,but they do grow out of things and in the meantime it's about what works as you survive. and you may be able to find a variety of alternative things that are powerful enough to distract him. Once he goes to school you will find it all changes alot for you.

[camelia]

just to add, JV, i hope that doesn't sound too simplistic, I can't really know what your situation is, except one thing I'm sure I can be sure of, and that's that your boy is beautiful. I would love to hear more of some of the wonderful amazing things he does that make you go wow!

In fact, I am going to list a few of my son's things that make me go wow and make up for the challenges. Although he's not autistic, he is larger than life in many ways. I need reminding sometimes about the Wow! bits.

1. Watching him compose a song on the guitar when he was 3. He didn't know how to play guitar but he was still able to produce a composition with structure and incredible feeling. His dad and I both looked at each other and said: Wow!

2. Watching him ride a pony. What a natural!

3. Seeing his attraction to thrill-seeking and knowing that could be directed to some great sports

4. The character and intelligence in the pictures he draws

5. The funny and knowing things he says, that make you go Wow! where did that come from?!

[joyful vibe]

camelia wrote:
just to add, JV, i hope that doesn't sound too simplistic, I can't really know what your situation is, except one thing I'm sure I can be sure of, and that's that your boy is beautiful. I would love to hear more of some of the wonderful amazing things he does that make you go wow!


Camelia,
Thank you. You're right on to gently nudge me to think about the things my beautiful babe does that make me smile or go wow!
Gosh, guys, I have been belly-aching and please know my days aren't filled with aggravation. The way I've parented until now was, I'm really realizing, a giving away of myself and an over-the-top earnest-ness to do things differently than my parents did. So a lot of including myself and what I'd like to do - back into my days, is because I thought parenting was a big...give-away. It's not like my life was perfectly happy before I was a mom....and what I'm living now just highlights for me that my genuine happiness is so very important.
(we ride elevators but when we start I say a set number of times, like 8 going up and down and he's been very cooperative with that. It's really only under an hour of my day. Still....after doing this most days for going on a year...just wish he'd move on to some other interest, ya know? :))

My brilliant beautiful boy:
has a smile that lights up the room and brightens the day of anyone who he shines it on.

is reading at a very advanced level for his age (4.5) (I haven't determined what age group but I'm thinking 8-9 yrs old). Last night he wanted to read more of the chapter books we were reading and into the night his sweet voice was reading with enthusiasm and joy. I sat outside his bedroom door, marveling at my kiddo.

he's brilliant on the computer and it's fun to see how much fun he has watching elevator videos, or playing in a virtual world where he can maneuver around on his own and find elevators and buildings and traffic and buses and.....

he has helped me feel childlike again, and run barefoot everywhere outside, and blow bubbles on our cheeks and laugh big bellyful laughs.

always gets me thinking of new ways to be creative with 'interpersonal relationships'. Daily he shows me where I need to pivot my thoughts and focus on feeling better.

he is so aware of my moods and how I feel. He often times picks up on what I'm thinking and will say something outloud out of context that I had just been thinking, he does have some form of telepathy - it's evident. Also a kind of empathy with my feelings.

he has healed so many of us ol' (formerly) grumpy adults just by being here.

my heart and ability to open and love has changed only because of his existence. My love for him helps me focus on the Love that we Are.

****
okay guys. I'll post DVD quotes-notes on my next post. thank you so much for....giving me this place to expand and love, love, love!!::hearts

[Evey]

JV, He sounds amazing and not at all what i think of in regards to the Adiagnosis, especially the part of being aware of *your* moods. I could see how i would resist that diagnosis altogether.

::group

[Mal]

This is one of the most beautiful threads I've ever read, mostly due to your truthful and heartfelt posts Joyful Vibe.

[joyful vibe]

Hello!

Leslie, I wanted to say how very awesome of you to say:
I love the Abe stuff with kids, because it made me realize how Conditionally Loving I can be!!! I thought i was this loving and spiritual person, but that was only with people who agree with me and who Behave!!!

I've felt the same way. So we really get to flex our Allowing and Loving muscles when people disagree with us or don't 'behave'. :)

Evey, you had said:
JV, He sounds amazing and not at all what i think of in regards to the Adiagnosis, especially the part of being aware of *your* moods. I could see how i would resist that diagnosis altogether.

And that got me thinking. It really just gets me rethinking what Autism is, you know? This whole diagnosis-thing got me and those closest to my kiddo to rethink what that means and find a way to spin it in a positive way within. There are many 'flavors' of being autistic, and my son could be considered as "having" Aspergers, a kind of relatively high-functioning autism where they may be very bright/intelligent, a bit slower developed on the social-connecting/communicating and have a focused interest in something (like automatic doors and elevators). Maybe because I've gotten to a much more accepting place with this and am excited for his future, I don't think the diagnosis is a negative thing at all, rather a way for my son to get more individual attention and opportunity to ....love life, be the happy kid he is and enjoy school as much as he wants. I'm actually very blessed, I don't know how I would handle it if he had been diagnosed at moderate to severe on the spectrum as the first segment on the DVD - the hot-seater's son is.......which brings me to:

The Time of Awakening.
I love how Abraham's words on Autism help me feel uplifted, excited, joyful to be a part of this awakening.
My heart went out to the man in the hotseat because....his heart was so open and I felt how he wanted to know his child will be okay. I share his heartfelt desires to have my son have friends and to be able to communicate with my son. When he said his little guy could really just articulate what he needed or wanted but not really talk much beyond that - I know that could be painful to live with.
You want to be able to talk with you child(ren) and really know them. And have them talk with you about their feelings, about anything. With autistic kids, we are a bit forced to maybe forego that. And there's grief in that realization.
So, all these kids coming in being diagnosed with autism - what is the Universe/what are they trying to show us? What expansion are we being offered to experience?
Communicating beyond words. That is the gift.
And OH I want to do this! I want to get very very good at this!!

I like how Estherham said the autistic child is in a better place of deliberate creation than anyone in that room.

I'd love to hear more from anyone who has an autistic child or who works with them. Your insights and observations and the expansion that you've lived - hearing about that would be so, so valuable.

Much love to you all!!:kiss:
(and thank you so much Mal and whoever else has appreciated my postings - from my open heart place. It feels so good to have no barriers, to feel no fear, to worry not at all about what anyone thinks. To just put mySelf out here and flow L-O-V-E. :beautiful:)

Joyfully Vibing Mama Sandy

[va0727]

"Maybe because I've gotten to a much more accepting place with this and am excited for his future, I don't think the diagnosis is a negative thing at all, rather a way for my son to get more individual attention and opportunity to ....love life, be the happy kid he is and enjoy school as much as he wants."

Joyful Vibe Sandy, it was beautiful for me to read your words above. I sense a real vibrational shifting that has taken place here. I just love seeing the amazing impact these wonderful teachings are having in bringing more joy into lives no matter what is going on. All the power is within us at any moment. It is through the blessings of your amazing son that this expansion has occurred and like Abraham says....we all benefit from your expansion, so thank you!

Virginia::grapevine

[Evey]

Oh Sandy i adore you prespective of feeling appreciative for where your son is! It allowed me to connect to appreciation and be so APPRECIATIVE that it is my MIL i take care of and not my mother or father (both croaked). I think i would find it painful if my mother behaved like my MIL never feeling pleased. It is MUCH easier that it is MIL who was actually pretty nasty to me before she got enough level of dementia. Caring for her from a loving place (same place that makes me rescue animals and kittens) with loving but healthy detachment is the perfect stance for me.

PLUS, i have practiced LOA on her and she really rises to the occasion and I KNOW i get the absolute best from her (esp knowing her former personality!::devilsnort/laugh!!). I feel like a rock star...rock star!::devil

::singer::musicThank you Sandy for helping me feel appreciation for where I am with family members too!

[camelia]

loving the love turnaround on this thread. sometimes it just takes awhile to process the EGS.

Evey, I have read your threads about your MIL and really appreciated how patient and caring you are, to even go there in the first place.

It reminds me that the little pivots eventually turn into a big pivot, where over time, the change is huge.

[TryAgain]

camelia wrote:


It reminds me that the little pivots eventually turn into a big pivot, where over time, the change is huge.

::wow
Camelia, couldn't pass this one up! WWWWWOOOOOOWWWWWWW!

I so totally feel this completely!

[joyful vibe]

Hello friends!

My mom just said this in an email to me (the topic was my son, she had just babysat for him the day before):

He is a really loving child and his great gift is that he accepts people as they are.

In thinking about people with autistic traits, I never thought of it from this point of view.
They can show us, help us remember to accept people as they are.
They accept people as they are.
They do not judge.
They do not compare.
They Be Who They Really Are and model for us how we can be. *Really* *truly* accepting of everyone and anyone and who they are.

I love this. I LOVE THIS!!::hearts

~~~~~
some things Abe said that stuck out for me (questioner was mom of autistic boy)....
Is his happiness dependent on (our teaching him) to please others? (no!)
You want your child to connect with Source energy.
Child born 'missing' factor of needing to please others.
Want him to maintain his vibration.
Usually kids are taught behavior instead of vibration.
Don't make him different than he is and make him same as something I like better. (oh!)
Creators of our own experience. They are different enough that they cannot conform. (yay!)
Feels like extra big responsibility - you're not here to fix it for others (and sacrifice your dreams, then feel resentment. Let me be who I am.
Want our kids to be well-treated by others.
Let him experience what reaching out to others feels like.
Find thougths that match MY escrow.
I will be who I Am. Who I am is so close to Source energy.
My work is to turn my attention/focus on what *I* put in my vibrational escrow.
....on his own terms, and he will be joyful.

:kiss: Much love to you,
Sandy

[Leslie]

Sandy! What a wonderful summary!::TU:kiss: Yes, that spoke to me too, that kids are generally taught to behave, rather than to align. I'm working on that one, myself!

Here are another couple of quotes from the DVD:

[Abe speaking for the woman, to her skeptical colleagues]
"What is it that all of us want? The stuff, the money, the relationships--we think we'll be happier in having them. And I looked at these children, and aside from frustratration from being asked to do things they can't easily do, they are mostly happy children. [...]
They are advanced. They have come forth understanding something that most of us want to understand. They've got a bead on happiness.

"I'm going to explore these children from the perspective that they have something to teach US."

This is how I feel about my kids. All kids. I just hung out with a bunch of cousins' children. And it was DELIGHTFUL. Kids just know that all is well. They are in the moment. They're not worried about much, except--what would be fun to do right now?

I LOVE that.

Another quote:
You think you're communicating through words, but you are NOT. You're communicating through ATTITUDE. [...] Your hear a mother screaming at her kids, "DON'T YOU KNOW I LOVE YOU?" And there is NO LOVE in her vibration at all!
I have recently decided that when I am out of the Vortex, I'm going to make myself scarce. I'll go be by myself and leave my family alone.

I had to do this a few times yesterday. ::LOL

Later, my husband said to me, "You've been great!" Really, I said? But I was in a horrible mood this morning. He said, "But you didn't take it out on us! You went to the gym."
And that's fine with you? I said. (Lingering co-dependence, but I'm okay with that!)
"Yes, of course!" He replied.


Ahhh.

Wow, that confirmation made me SO HAPPY. It's working. What a relief!


The only thing that matters is that I FEEL GOOD.

[Leslie]

So, that said, the month is drawing to a close. I think this DVD study group has been FANTASTIC!!!!

I am ready to do it again!

Let's watch Law of Attraction in Action Episode 12 this time!

I'll start a new thread about it.

With love to you all! Thanks for the discussion!!!!
xoxooxo
L::rainbow

edit: here is the thread!
http://theabeforum.com/forum8/18559.html

[Maryna]

Hi everyone,
There is always somebody "new to it all" like me joining and having their own questions, and and comments to add. I have came across Abraham teachings four months ago. Everything their word resonated in me deeply exept of what they had to say about autistic children. And that is because my own experience being a mother of severely autiscic non verbal self-injuring boy plagued by painful allergies and other conditions for years now. I am slowly coming around, although it is not fast or easy process.
I understand that woman scientist from the "Autistic Revolution" DVD is writing a book. Does anyone know if that book came out or do they know her name or have her email?
I think I really could use some help with new ideas and techniques.

[joyful vibe]

Maryna,
I don't know the information you requested but wanted to send much LOVE and hugs your way!!

:kiss:::hugging::hugging::hugging::hugging::huggin g

I applaud you for looking for more ways to know your son and feel as good as you can.

I've had a difficult few days (going through some negative emotions and finally getting some release/relief after some tears and anger), and my little man picks up on my emotions so he had a hard time yesterday (I cannot get away with trying to be upbeat when I'm really not. He picks up on my *real* dominant vibration). Still a journey accepting our diagnosis (PDD-NOS), and grieving/pouting over things we can't do easily that others can. My son is perfect, it's me who is....struggling in my expansion. I am in awe of the challenges you face; I do not know if I could summon the strength. Except....I'd have no choice. Being strong and as positive as I can. There is much to be easy about, much to be grateful for. I am.

You've sent out your rockets of desire ......find peace and ease where you can and the Universe will answer your request in many ways. (have you ever seen the tv PBS show 'The Horse Boy'?)

::hearts ~Sandy

[Maryna]

Thank you,
For years I found little solace in talking to other parents of autistic children since almost all, well all children my sons age I have ever seen were higher on autistic spectrum than he was. And they would make rapid developmental leaps receiving same therapy my son was. Physically perfect, he would develop very slowly - and he needs a lot of repetition to learn . My monkey brain was unable to stop comparing, and thinking about what could of been , and was remainded about it several times a day every time I have seen interaction of healthy children with others. I send hours almost every day helples, watching him scream from pain.I have spend years overwhelmed and in despair.

The set of challenges for raising children on low end of the autistic spectrum is quite different from those on higher end. Some areas are easier, and some are more difficult.

We lost funding for his therapy. Now I am doing a lot of work on my own emotional state since I have came across Abraham teachings. We enjoy this great summer together. I really wanted to go on Alaska cruise but I settled on mp3 download - much cheaper - and since I am not very good in fiscal manifestations - "path of least resistance". I am in the proces of going through it now since it came couple of days ago and it is great.

Now there is nobody I know with whom I can talk about my life that is mostly filled up with A&A: autism an Abraham. But I am sure certain that all those beautiful conversations and tons of solutions are in my "vortex":)
Thank you for your hugs, they were much needed::TU

[joyful vibe]

Maryna wrote:
Thank you,
For years I found little solace in talking to other parents of autistic children since almost all, well all children my sons age I have ever seen were higher on autistic spectrum than he was. And they would make rapid developmental leaps receiving same therapy my son was. Physically perfect, he would develop very slowly - and he needs a lot of repetition to learn . My monkey brain was unable to stop comparing, and thinking about what could of been , and was remainded about it several times a day every time I have seen interaction of healthy children with others. I send hours almost every day helples, watching him scream from pain.I have spend years overwhelmed and in despair.

The set of challenges for raising children on low end of the autistic spectrum is quite different from those on higher end. Some areas are easier, and some are more difficult.

We lost funding for his therapy. Now I am doing a lot of work on my own emotional state since I have came across Abraham teachings. We enjoy this great summer together. I really wanted to go on Alaska cruise but I settled on mp3 download - much cheaper - and since I am not very good in fiscal manifestations - "path of least resistance". I am in the proces of going through it now since it came couple of days ago and it is great.

Now there is nobody I know with whom I can talk about my life that is mostly filled up with A&A: autism an Abraham. But I am sure certain that all those beautiful conversations and tons of solutions are in my "vortex":)
Thank you for your hugs, they were much needed::TU

You are no longer alone. I am 'an Aber' and my son is on the autistic spectrum.
I am keeping you in my thoughts for receiving the help you've desired with managing with your son and the physical pain he goes through. I will hold the vision of you finding peace, comfort, strength, and release from dispair. I will hold thoughts of your son's pain lessening and more happiness in his days.
I do not experience exactly what you do with your son, but I do have to self-adjust all day, most days. We can't go to the movies, we can't have playdates ....yet? We've tried. My child clings to me as he gets overwhelmed. I question myself often if I have made the right decisions for him on pre-school, therapy, etc. A mommy-friend just spoke of a successful first visit to the dentist with her 4 year old while our dentist trip was completely unsuccessful and I will have to try many, many things to attempt to establish some possibility that we can ever get his teeth cleaned. I don't work through these things quickly, the impact is there and there is sadness and constant striving to find the positive. But, I do see and meet helpful and understanding people everywhere I go. (which helps when I have well-meaning neighbors who try to chat him up and he doesn't say much and they ask 'why?! isn't he talking??) sigh.

As this is an Abraham forum, we can absorb and somehow find solace in the words of Abe saying autistic ones come forth to NOT conform. With them we can learn other ways of communicating beyond words. They do not have a disability, they are just different. (I've compared too, it's ...my work to stop doing that because I rarely feel better and my kid deserves his mommy looking upon our life with the best thoughts I can manager. Uh, guilt there a bit...)

You can PM me at any time. We must be more than capable to be mommies to little ones with differences - and they knew this as they chose us to be the mommy. There's much that is very good about this and we can work on focusing together and finding and milking those good points. We can also lean on each other during the tough times. My goal: to feel better more often about this and then to feel fantastic about me and my influence with my little man. :)

[Diggit]

I saw something beautiful the other day. I was in a busy toyshop with my kids, and my daughter was trying to put a box back up on a high shelf. She was too short to push it all the way up, and it looked like it was going to fall down on top of her. I was too far away to help, and also, I wasn't worried about it falling, if it did. I was just watching to see what would happen. Another mom walking by,without fanfare, just gave the box a little shove so that it was solidly on the shelf, and kept on walking without acknowledgement. And my daughter just moved on to the next toy to look at, not really knowing *how* she had been helped. she wasn't "grateful" or anything--it was like 'I wanted to put the box on the shelf, and there it is on the shelf, and everything always works out for me." I started to cry with the beauty of it! I thanked that other mom in my heart. It reminded me of this DVD that said, there will alwYs be people there to help your children if they are in alignment.

I LOVE that! That your daughter simply wanted the box on the shelf and the universe delivered!! THAT'S alignment!!

This is a wonderful thread. I don't know why I resonate so deeply with Abraham's explanations of autism but I suspect, knowing what I know now, that had it been common when I was in school that I would have certainly been "labeled". It occurs to me how different school was then. I did not have to deal with such things because there were no formal descriptions or labels and so I was quite invisible! Which, I LOVED!! I knew the material and barring one brief exposure and narrow escape from being pushed into "gifted" status was able to fly under the radar and do as I pleased which included NOT showing my level of understanding and thereby drawing attention to myself. I wonder...if many of these children had come forth then, would they have been invisible and left to their own devices, free to explore their own interests and consequently been labeled "gifted" or "genius"?

I am beginning to think that the label of "autism" is a great blessing for many as there are few things more confining than to be labeled "gifted" as a child. It's as if the whole world is pulling at you, in expectation of you solving the world's problems and fighting over which aspect of the world is most important and which troublesome world problem gets domain over you. I remember thinking, as a child, how crazy it was that people were not only telling me WHAT to look at, but also what to THINK about what I was looking at. I had a very narrow escape when I manifested my mother awesomely taking my side on the matter and telling them, in no uncertain terms, to get out of my face. I was SO happy and everyone instantly forgot all about me and I was truly FREE!! And THAT is a TOTALLY different story than I would have told just a few months ago. A few months ago it would have been all about the freaking out over the idea that my mother seemed on the path to letting someone else have domain over me and then manifesting physical symptoms that were diagnosed as a nervous breakdown that woke up my mother. THAT is so COOL! The story has taken on an entirely different meaning! Wow!

And now that I see it more clearly, there doesn't seem to be any difference between the labels of "autism" and "genius" when it comes to others - they both seem to attract the attention of those who seek to re-create non-conformists to suit themselves. CLEARLY autism is a higher form of genius!! To achieve dominion over a genius child you must first convince them that they are not in charge and you can't DO that with an autistic child!! They failed to convince me!!! How perfect is THAT?!?! Talk about GENIUS!!! That's UBER genius!!! I AM autistic!! I bet MANY of us older ABE-loving non-conformists are!! We just caught them off-guard!! We are "pre-label" AUTISTICS!! We are UBER geniuses!!!
::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo

I'm going to have to get that DVD!!!

[Leslie]

[color=navy][size=4]Diggit! I love your energy!!!
How wonderful! I know just what you mean. I was thinking recently about the musical 'Wicked' where you see that the label 'wicked' or 'evil' could actually become a free pass to bow out of societal expectation!

:beautiful:

Maryna, I have put in a call to someone who would know how to get in touch with that therapist, so I will follow up with you.

In the meantime, enjoy the cruise recordings. I just got them too. I remember from the 2008 cruise, a parent got up and asked a wonderful question about autism, and what Abe said was something like this,

re: the playground
"We would not put the child in circumstances where he is being compared to all the other monkeys climbing on the monkey bars, and instead celebrate what the child IS able to do."

Or something like that. I use this for my children. They are about to start kindergarten, and they each have their strengths, so I'm working on just playing to their strengths, and ignoring their 'weaknesses.' (They don't have any! It's KINDERGARTEN!)

It is so wonderful that this thread was resurrected--I'm glad it was helpful for at least two more people!

With much love
Leslie::rainbow

[joyful vibe]

Diggit wrote:
And now that I see it more clearly, there doesn't seem to be any difference between the labels of "autism" and "genius" when it comes to others - they both seem to attract the attention of those who seek to re-create non-conformists to suit themselves. CLEARLY autism is a higher form of genius!! To achieve dominion over a genius child you must first convince them that they are not in charge and you can't DO that with an autistic child!! They failed to convince me!!! How perfect is THAT?!?! Talk about GENIUS!!! That's UBER genius!!! I AM autistic!! I bet MANY of us older ABE-loving non-conformists are!! We just caught them off-guard!! We are "pre-label" AUTISTICS!! We are UBER geniuses!!!


I'm reading this over and over and riding a happy wave and spinning into my vortex.

Thank you Diggit!
:kiss:

[Diggit]

Leslie wrote:
...I know just what you mean. I was thinking recently about the musical 'Wicked' where you see that the label 'wicked' or 'evil' could actually become a free pass to bow out of societal expectation!
That's interesting and makes perfect sense! I was called "odd", as a small child, then "weird" and then "eccentric" all of which sort of felt like "permission" to be who I am. It's a splendid life! Even the short time of concern about possibly being considered "too odd" to raise a child. That used to feel like such a HUGE thing and now I see that it was just a very few, very short periods of time. Not even big enough to manifest what I feared!!

Hmmm...cleaning up one big thing (my "concern" about others) has apparently cleaned up a bunch of other things I hadn't thought about in a while...COOL!!

Uh oh...look out! I'm getting that FEEEEELing again... plug your ears 'cause I think I'm gonna...yep...ok...here it comes -
::singer::woohoo::singer::woohoo::singer::woohoo:: singer

[Diggit]

Thank you Diggit! :kiss:

Right back AT ya, bubba!! Thank YOU!!
:kiss:

I'm gonna get me a t-shirt:

"I'm here! I'm autistic! And there's nothing you can DO about it!"
::musicNA NA na NA na na!! ::music

[Diggit]

It also occurs to me that I seldom spoke, as a child, and look at me NOW!! You can't shut me UP!!!

::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL
edit: And another memory surfaces - "Brilliant but unteachable" - What the hell does that even MEAN?!?!? If someone is brilliant then WHAT are you trying to "teach" them?!?!? How to be less brilliant?!?!? "Brilliant but unteachable"? - it doesn't even make sense.Added: There's an online Autism Spectrum quotient test! I scored 35 out of 50 which it says represents "high-functioning autism"!!
"Normal" is around 15-17.WOW!! I am doing EXACTLY what I INTENDED to do when I came into this physical body!!::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo
More adding: Going back over the list of questions and answers it is actually a perfect mixture of things I'm cleaning up and "normal" traits that I'm glad I don't have. I would have scored much higher 6 months ago.

[Leslie]

[color=navy][size=4]Diggit!!!! I love your energy here! I feel like you are a gift from the universe, showing us what it's like when someone who is 'autistic' is fully accepting of themselves! You show us that it really doesn't matter what anyone else thinks!

THANK YOU.
:kiss: