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    Great quotes! Thank you so much!

    I also noticed that many other, non-Abraham LOA teachings, which are otherwise positive, are not all the way positive. There is often a division between good and bad, something you need to resist, like ego or selfishness or greed or something. This need to condemn something and valorize its opposite used to feel right inside of me because I was seeing the world in right-or-wrong terms. But now I am leaving this paradigm behind me, and it feels like a relief. Seeing the world through the framework of right and wrong actually feels like a heavier, lower vibration. Maybe you know what I mean. Leaving behind the need to condemn and praise, value and devalue feels like jettisoning ballast from a balloon - your buoyancy increases and you just float up. This is what I am learning. You start testing things by how they make you feel. I didn't use to do it, or if I did it, I wasn't as sensitive to vibrational frequencies as I am now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felicie View Post
    Great quotes! Thank you so much!

    I also noticed that many other, non-Abraham LOA teachings, which are otherwise positive, are not all the way positive. There is often a division between good and bad, something you need to resist, like ego or selfishness or greed or something. This need to condemn something and valorize its opposite used to feel right inside of me because I was seeing the world in right-or-wrong terms. But now I am leaving this paradigm behind me, and it feels like a relief. Seeing the world through the framework of right and wrong actually feels like a heavier, lower vibration. Maybe you know what I mean. Leaving behind the need to condemn and praise, value and devalue feels like jettisoning ballast from a balloon - your buoyancy increases and you just float up. This is what I am learning. You start testing things by how they make you feel. I didn't use to do it, or if I did it, I wasn't as sensitive to vibrational frequencies as I am now.


    I often thought this about very beloved former teachers, also.
    "Kill the Ego" was a war-cry! Why should you kill anything that you donīt wish to eat afterwards!

    And itīs such relief to realize that ALL is good, for someone, somewhen: I just donīt need to invite/focus on it when *I* donīt like it!
    Such freedom...

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    Quote Originally Posted by paradise-on-earth View Post

    Why should you kill anything that you donīt wish to eat afterwards!
    Oh, this is funny! I am going to plagiarize it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaily View Post
    When I was younger, due to some painful exposure to someone who had decided materialism was wrong, and ego was a dirty word, I wondered what was true. And I asked my NP councilors what was EGO and what I got back was

    Ego is kind of like the universe's location device, for each individual, its where, when and to what capacity or size. So it is really a central important thing.
    (this helps somehow with the delivery of stuff etc)(its like the center dot which ripples outwards if you imagine waves on water)


    And then gladly, I found some kind of way to get along well with materialism, and found what I think is Abe saying, materialism is just manifest spirituality... and that makes perfect sense to me, because when you get on a good feeling wavelength, on a good vibe, and you ride that out for a while, the materialism which will manifest and surround you will without doubt be of a higher order like, heavenly.

    So I think matter is just wavelengths solidified. So this is why its important to be true to your perspective, and feel good (get on a good wavelength) and then you'll be involved in a more heaven on Earth kind of situation.

    Its hard for me to imagine what anti-ego people are really saying when they say the ego is this and that.
    I think of ego as saying, Here, Now, this amount.

    Ego has little to do with focusing on Lack or something.
    When those people who believe unpleasant things about the ego, when they talk about it they mean when the ego chooses not to focus on something that feels better, but instead of blaming focus, they imagine the problem is that the person's individual perspective is actually cutting them off. But its just not. The individual perspective is everything. Ego is wholly important.

    Its the focus which has gone wrong. I just had a experience like this a few months ago, and it was suggested to me (very nicely and tenderly) that I might be being a little egotistical. And then I really reached and grasped to see if I could find something of sense or value in that perspective. And I couldn't, because if you are GOD, then how can your ego be too big? Its almost like the person was saying, don't be yourself, don't want what you know is yours to have.

    My problem was not that my ego was too big. My problem was that when I was HURTING, this was an indication that I was stopping short of seeing what I wanted! It was an indication that what I was focusing on- was NOT- the end of the story. (I'm not suggesting ended-ness, I am suggesting not taking the bounce is painful)

    Expanding my consciousness, or shrinking it, is as a result of my focus. I think everyone has had the sensation of knowing this abe stuff, then getting involved in a wavelength where you literally forget it. An expanded consciousness, or being conscious of less, is more a result of focus than ego. Sure your ego is larger as you allow your focus to widen, and you allow yourself to be and have more. And the trauma of not being God, after you've been God forever hurts tremendously. But this is not because your ego is too large, this is because you are focusing on something your Inner Being will not validate...

    And the faster the speed, the more the incredible pain in my experience...
    There is also nothing wrong with having a smaller sense of who you are. As long as you are honoring your perspective and not going against what your inner being is holding for you it will not hurt. As long as a person is feeling pleased then they are engaged in more heavenly vibrations which must then become heavenly matter. But if you know you are God, and then you try to deny that, its the most painful devastating horrible thing on earth. And it doesn't mean your ego is too big, it means your focus is OFF!

    Ego is brilliant, ego is awareness with a perspective.

    Being psychic or merging with Abe kinds of expanded consciousness, doesn't mean you've lost your ego. Always when we expand our consciousness we become MORE, not less. So we see more from our perspectives. We don't lose our perspective, we widen it.

    As you widen your perspective, see more and be more, and validate your ego, validate who your inner being knows you are, you must feel good! And the you must increase the manifestation of heavenly feel good vibrations on Earth!! So ego is the perspective and the size of what we claim vibrationally and manifest/allow "emotional vibration" into physical matter on earth!! (or painfully and terribly deny, ouch)

    So then having a big ego, which is fulfilled through focus on pleasing vibrations, is a wonderful manifestation and manifests heavenly things on this earth!! The bigger the ego, the more good stuff you can choose to vibrate with (can have bigger expectations!!) and will be funneled into matter or otherwise met with. Through the vortex I suppose. (or maybe is it vibrated into rendezvous?)

    I love your question and thread POE. Terrific! Wait, you didn't ask a question! lol lmao I guess I like the question I asked in response to your wonderful thread. haha I guess I like my response too!! hahahahaha Okay, this day is off to a good start!! Fun fun fun.

    Awesome! To attract anything into your life is spiritual- is not all in one? Is not everything in existence from the same source? We will all return to the same source. Be a "materialist" or a "spiritualist" but be it in the highest vibration you can. Suffering is the real phantom enemy in this life, do whatever lifts you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pappamayo View Post
    Awesome! To attract anything into your life is spiritual- is not all in one? Is not everything in existence from the same source? We will all return to the same source. Be a "materialist" or a "spiritualist" but be it in the highest vibration you can. Suffering is the real phantom enemy in this life, do whatever lifts you.
    Yes suffering is the phantom enemy that really will disappear when we "croak". But its nice to put it into perspective it earlier than that! Why wait? right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by paradise-on-earth View Post



    "Kill the Ego" was a war-cry! Why should you kill anything that you donīt wish to eat afterwards!
    what the? LOL Eat your ego/ LOLOL

    This is a concept that is previously unimagined by me.
    I guess thats worse than eating your words. lol

    I think thats how black holes are made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaily View Post
    what the? LOL Eat your ego/ LOLOL

    This is a concept that is previously unimagined by me.
    I guess thats worse than eating your words. lol

    I think thats how black holes are made.

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    We want you to follow the path of least resistance.
    We WANT you to get on the path that feels good.


    It isnīt wrong to you to choose THIS, rather than THIS!
    Or this, rather than this! Thatīs why youīve been born
    into an environment of contrast!
    In a world, where everybody gets to choose!

    Where it gets squirrely for you, is where you all sort of get together
    and try to define what EVERYBODY should choose!
    And the you get into fights with each other about whoīs choosing what,
    where if you just understood-

    YOU ALL GET TO CHOOSE,
    and when you line up with what you WANT, you find the power to FEEL
    the fulfillment, and the exultation and the exhilaration and the passion,
    and the success, and the fulfillment that you are reaching for, you see!

    You gotta let EVERYBODY ELSE off the hook.
    And stop beating up on yourself,
    if you choose NOT to play with them.

    But thatīs hard, uhhhuuuhuuuhhhuuu.
    "Shouldnīt I be able to play with everyone??".
    And we say: Thatīs a very conditional approach to life.

    Now youīve gotta get them to behave... or,
    now youīve gotta adjust your vibration!
    Now, youīve gotta give up ALL of the sifting and sorting,
    and deciding and concluding, and deciding and concluding and
    BECOMING-

    You gotta rewind all of that, in order to blend with THIS.

    Are you hearing us?
    So, the question is: Are you in alignment with who I am-
    or am I gonna line up with they want?
    We donīt see why that is a hard choice for you-
    knowing what you give up, when you line up with them-
    instead of WITH WHO YOU REALLY ARE.

    This are no difficult choices, but itīs hard for most of you-
    because others have taught you that selfishness is not virtuous.
    That looking out for yourself, and doing what feels good to you
    will lead you to selfishness, that will deprive others
    of something that they will need from you.

    But what theyīve forgotten, is:
    NONE of them will get it from you, ANYWAY.
    They all will get it directly from
    source.

    That is their misunderstanding, and you perpetuate
    their misunderstanding, when you TRY TO BE THE SOURCE-
    that gives them what they want, you see!

    (...Abe telling a story of Esther stopping to "help a friend")
    "I am insulting you, when I assume, that I am
    your path of least resistance. I insult you!

    You have direct access to ALL of the energy that creates worlds.
    You have direct access.
    -But no, I made you believe in your dependency on me!"

    It had to get really big until Esther realized it.
    And then she realized, she was not only setting herself free,
    from diverging from her path-
    she was setting HIM free, too. He doesnīt know it yet,
    but he will. In time.

    He will find his way. He will find his way.

    Los Angeles, CA 02-07- 2015
    from the clip Abraham-Hicks ~ Service or your Path

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